Wednesday, August 8, 2007

A sad day...

13 comments:

Jeremy Morgan said...

It is sad. However, to a casual observer it just seems like the next page in the particularly scandal/scoundrel filled history of baseball.

AJF said...

I think the casual observer would be right with such an observation. This is a tainted era, no doubt.

Frontier Forest said...

I would like to hear a comment from old Hammering Hank?

AJF said...

Hank Aaron gave a video taped statement congratulating Bonds yesterday. It's very gracious, to say the least.

Hank is a class act, he knows, I think, no one seriously considers Bonds true heir to the homerun king title.

jeremy morgan said...

Do you think the reaction would be so bad if Bonds was at least a marginally likeable person? I wonder if his personality has compounded the whole situation. Mark McGwire at least used Andro, maybe more, but he was a charming, buddy next door type of guy and there isn't nearly as much animosity toward him. Granted, he wasn't dethroning a true champion like Hank but none the less, I wonder if Bonds wasn't such a jerk if people wouldn't be quite as upset.

AJF said...

I think the widespread perception is that Bonds is a selfish, pompous, jerk. If half of "Game of Shadows" is true, this perception is well founded. This definitely contributes to the rancor his new "crown" has created. McGwire was more likeable, no doubt. Less so now. Further, McGwire and Sosa saving baseball after the strike. MLB turned a blind eye to their new found power because people were piling in the gates. McGwire was just ahead of Bonds and the current designer steroid/PHD situation.

Finally, and bottom line, the homerun record is the most hallowed in American sports. To have a cheater break the record stinks.

Phantom495 said...

I thought that the most hallowed title in American sports was that belt thing from the WWF or whatever the initials are now! Yes...I am mocking you!

AJF said...

The Homerun title is the most hallowed...I'm not saying I think it should be. Yeah, the WWF title is up there (WWE now), heck, we know those guys don't use steroids!

GUNNY said...

Exactly, MLB should take a page out of the WWE playbook and clean up its act.

The people's champion holds the WWE Championship belt with honor and is loved.

He didn't have to roid up to detrone Aaron.

You know what's really sad, Bonds might have been able to break the record even without the roids. He was pretty good all along.

Maybe not, however. The roids help with strength and conditioning and may prolong some careers (e.g., Bonds). I happen to think roids has been an issue for ages, but not just among home run hitters.

I imagine there were many borderline players who juiced up to stay on the team or others who juiced up to keep from being overtaken by a younger guy. What about pitchers who pitched for a few extra years?

Massive muscle is not the only effect of the roid, you know. Well, other than ... well ... you know ... THAT effect.

William Perry Guilkey said...

I agree that the homerun record is the most hallowed record in baseball. However, the two most "unbreakable" records are DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak and Cy Young's 511 victories. The "former" may one day be broken. In this age of pitching specialists, it is almost impossible that the latter will ever be broken. Somebody will however hit .400 again.

AJF said...

I don't think anyone will beat Joe's record either. Ichiro could come close, but what fun is 57 blooper singles?

No way 511 ever gets touched. I seriously doubt we'll see another 300 game winner for a long while.

Wow, .400. That would be amazing. Doesn't seem possible either.

William Perry Guilkey said...

I say .400 will happen because Gywnn hit .394 in the 1990's, Brett hit .390 in 1980 and Carew made a good run at it once or twice. It hasn't happened since the 1940's, so it's not a "given," I agree. I just would not call it an "impossible" record. People thought "61" wouldn't get touched either until McGwire, Sosa, Bonds and alleged steroid usage.

One record that is seriously overrated to me is Ripken's consecutive games streak. My grandfathers were farmers and factory workers who worked in pretty brutal environments for middle class pay. Going to work everyday was something you did. You packed your lunch pail, showed up and did your job. Baseball's collective bargaining agreement allows for a day off every 17 days or so (for the whole team). Cal had October through April "off" every year (except 1983, when he was in the World Series). He only had to "work" on game days as taking off a Spring training practice did not count against him. Therefore, he "worked" 162 days a year with a day off every 17 days, playing a game that most of us would love to play. I will concede that it is a business at that level and not the "sandlot" ball of our youth. However, the dude worked 162 days a year (not in a row) and everyone thinks he is immortal. Up here in farm and factory country it's called "doing your job." The record is seriously overrated. That's just an opinion.

AJF said...

While pitching is a bit dilluded with so many teams, I still think it's improved to the point that .400 will be tough.

As far as "61"...it's still in effect as far as I'm concerned. McGwire, Sosa, and Bonds are cheaters. Their numbers don't mean anything.