Aside from being sick of people equating the civil rights struggles of women and African Americans with people who practice homosexuality, as Ellen does in this recent clip, I am left a bit confused by how I feel concerning McCain's responses.
Well, he did say marriage should be between a man and a woman and unlike Jenna Bush, he did not offer his family’s ranch as a place to hold the so-called wedding. As for civil unions, and homosexuals being permitted to have insurance, wills, allow to see their partners in the final hours of life, that already exist in America and in the corporate world, along with Gays Lesbian Transgendered organizations in the Federal Government.
Of course, considering the alternative between Barry and Hillary, we are left with few choices, vote for McCain, and pray that he appoint justices to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade, win the war in Iraq, and keep taxes and spending low. Do the complete opposite by either voting for a 3rd party candidate like Barr for the Libertarian Party or the Democrat Nominee or not vote at all.
Westminster Confession of Faith
Chapter 2 Of God's Eternal Decree
7. The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or withholdeth mercy, as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice.
Chapter 5 Of Providence
6. As for those wicked and ungodly men whom God, as a righteous Judge, for former sins, doth blind and harden, from them he not only withholdeth his grace whereby they might have been enlightened in their understandings, and wrought upon in their hearts; but sometimes also withdraweth the gifts which they had, and exposeth them to such objects as their corruption makes occasions of sin; and, withal, gives them over to their own lusts, the temptations of the world, and the power of Satan, whereby it comes to pass that they harden themselves, even under those means which God useth for the softening of others.
Chapter 33 Of the Last Judgment
2. The end of God's appointing this day is for the manifestation of the glory of his mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of his justice, in the damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient. For then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and refreshing, which shall come from the presence of the Lord; but the wicked who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
I'm not sure one can engage one intellectually when they are using emotion for their argument. Will Ellen support the person who wants to marry their dog, cat, snake, brother sister or whatever? It's a slap in the face to use the civil rights and voting as a basis for justifying behavior which is deviant. But this is the mush brain audience of day time talk tv.
I would rather he hadn't gone on Ellen in the first place, but guess that's the way it works on the campaign trail these days. He did a fair job of answering, considering it was obvious what side the audience was on. At least, they didn't jeer at him, but maybe they weren't sure what to think of his answer, either. I'm going to vote for him (or rather against whichever the Democrat nominee is), but I'm not excited about it. Just keep saying, "God is sovereign, God is sovereign!"
I agree with pjw. I'm not a huge McCain fan to begin with, however, I think that given the venue, the audience, and the situation, he gave as good an answer as could be given.
Would I have liked to see him give a stronger defense of marraige? absolutely! I'm just glad he at least said that marraige should be a man and a woman.
I agree with one blogger, he did do a pretty darn good job in defending traditional marriage. He made his point without offending, and in facing such a biased audience, showed some real class. I was glad they didn’t boo him.
2 things hit home with me the hardest in this clip. First of all, Ellen's point that "we are all the same, yet we are treated like we are not". This is the absolute opposite of the "celebrate diversity" message frequently thrown around by the "left." You cannot have it both ways. Secondly, I was most bothered by the audience's smiles and applause. There was a time when we would have been ashamed at such talk. Even those who did not follow Christ in the Puritan days of this country had a certain level of decorum in their manner. I am sure that both of these points could be quickly shot down by someone who is an effective debater. However, that is my subjective "take" on what bothered me with the discourse. The one thing that excited me was the response in my heart. It made me want to pray for our nation (and now that I think about it, "those people") to repent. I am being hit with a real sense of gratitude to my Lord, who saved me from a life of sexual bondage. This "area" hits pretty close to home for me, as I had slid very far down a "slippery slope" when I was in sin. To think that I can now feel pain over the mentality expressed in this clip is further evidence that it is "God at work in me for my sanctification." It doesn't make me want to argue with them, it makes me want to pray (and I say that without the "self-righteousness" that such a phrase would have used to carry) for them. People are being deceived a little bit every day by the media making something that God calls an abomination look like an acceptable lifestyle choice. I guess if you tell that lie long enough, people will believe it. May the Holy Spirit give me the grace to stand against the culture. May God use my story for His glory. May God let His church be unafraid to declare truth in love (remembering that sometimes love "feels" painful or unloving).
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Well, he did say marriage should be between a man and a woman and unlike Jenna Bush, he did not offer his family’s ranch as a place to hold the so-called wedding. As for civil unions, and homosexuals being permitted to have insurance, wills, allow to see their partners in the final hours of life, that already exist in America and in the corporate world, along with Gays Lesbian Transgendered organizations in the Federal Government.
Of course, considering the alternative between Barry and Hillary, we are left with few choices, vote for McCain, and pray that he appoint justices to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade, win the war in Iraq, and keep taxes and spending low. Do the complete opposite by either voting for a 3rd party candidate like Barr for the Libertarian Party or the Democrat Nominee or not vote at all.
Westminster Confession of Faith
Chapter 2 Of God's Eternal Decree
7. The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or withholdeth mercy, as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice.
Chapter 5 Of Providence
6. As for those wicked and ungodly men whom God, as a righteous Judge, for former sins, doth blind and harden, from them he not only withholdeth his grace whereby they might have been enlightened in their understandings, and wrought upon in their hearts; but sometimes also withdraweth the gifts which they had, and exposeth them to such objects as their corruption makes occasions of sin; and, withal, gives them over to their own lusts, the temptations of the world, and the power of Satan, whereby it comes to pass that they harden themselves, even under those means which God useth for the softening of others.
Chapter 33 Of the Last Judgment
2. The end of God's appointing this day is for the manifestation of the glory of his mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of his justice, in the damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient. For then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fullness of joy and refreshing, which shall come from the presence of the Lord; but the wicked who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast into eternal torments, and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.
I'm not sure one can engage one intellectually when they are using emotion for their argument. Will Ellen support the person who wants to marry their dog, cat, snake, brother sister or whatever? It's a slap in the face to use the civil rights and voting as a basis for justifying behavior which is deviant. But this is the mush brain audience of day time talk tv.
The Cowboy
I would rather he hadn't gone on Ellen in the first place, but guess that's the way it works on the campaign trail these days. He did a fair job of answering, considering it was obvious what side the audience was on. At least, they didn't jeer at him, but maybe they weren't sure what to think of his answer, either. I'm going to vote for him (or rather against whichever the Democrat nominee is), but I'm not excited about it. Just keep saying, "God is sovereign, God is sovereign!"
I agree with pjw. I'm not a huge McCain fan to begin with, however, I think that given the venue, the audience, and the situation, he gave as good an answer as could be given.
Would I have liked to see him give a stronger defense of marraige? absolutely! I'm just glad he at least said that marraige should be a man and a woman.
I agree with one blogger, he did do a pretty darn good job in defending traditional marriage. He made his point without offending, and in facing such a biased audience, showed some real class. I was glad they didn’t boo him.
2 things hit home with me the hardest in this clip. First of all, Ellen's point that "we are all the same, yet we are treated like we are not". This is the absolute opposite of the "celebrate diversity" message frequently thrown around by the "left." You cannot have it both ways. Secondly, I was most bothered by the audience's smiles and applause. There was a time when we would have been ashamed at such talk. Even those who did not follow Christ in the Puritan days of this country had a certain level of decorum in their manner. I am sure that both of these points could be quickly shot down by someone who is an effective debater. However, that is my subjective "take" on what bothered me with the discourse. The one thing that excited me was the response in my heart. It made me want to pray for our nation (and now that I think about it, "those people") to repent. I am being hit with a real sense of gratitude to my Lord, who saved me from a life of sexual bondage. This "area" hits pretty close to home for me, as I had slid very far down a "slippery slope" when I was in sin. To think that I can now feel pain over the mentality expressed in this clip is further evidence that it is "God at work in me for my sanctification." It doesn't make me want to argue with them, it makes me want to pray (and I say that without the "self-righteousness" that such a phrase would have used to carry) for them. People are being deceived a little bit every day by the media making something that God calls an abomination look like an acceptable lifestyle choice. I guess if you tell that lie long enough, people will believe it. May the Holy Spirit give me the grace to stand against the culture. May God use my story for His glory. May God let His church be unafraid to declare truth in love (remembering that sometimes love "feels" painful or unloving).
Great comments William. Praise the Lord!
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