Monday, June 9, 2008

Heading to the Big "D"

I'm traveling out of the country today- I should be in Texas by 10:30 AM.

I'll be in Dallas for a week of denominational meetings, the PCA's General Assembly. I'll be with Pastor Nathan, Elder Scott Creecy and his wife Carmen. Scott is a native Texan, so I'll be leaning on him to see some Dallas sights. I was here for General Assembly 8 or 9 years ago, I can't remember. I do remember thinking the downtown district of Dallas was pretty nice. This time Scott promises to take us to some great eateries, however I am on a mission to lose 12 more pounds before attempting a mountain climb in Colorado early next month, so I'll have to take it easy on the Texas cuisine (I'm not in to fried rattle snakes anyways). I guess I'll sit with Scott and watch him eat whatever it is he suggests. I can try to imagine the pleasure he is experiencing while I eat a salad.

I do plan on visiting Deeley Plaza again. I found the Texas School Book Depository museum tour thoroughly fascinating. I've always been a minor league Kennedy assassination buff, so visiting the scene of the crime is a must while here. There's no way a loan gunman pulled off the assassination, no way.


Frontier Forest said...

Tony, good thing Scott’s driving! Wait to you experience Big D traffic and tool booths! Makes Friday afternoon, 435 traffic look like pretty boring. There are some mighty fine eateries in Dallas, my favorite is “Del Frisco’s”. God’s bountiful wisdom be upon all of you!

Rick Calohan said...

Tony, I must confess I believed Oswald acted alone, for no other reason than the Federal Government is too incompetent to have kept the additional gunmen a secret. If the conspiracy to kill JFK rather it be J. Edgar Hoover, Clay Shaw, LBJ, Nixon, the Mafia, the Cubans, the Soviets, whomever were allegedly involved I am sure like “Deep Throat” in Watergate we would have known by now. To believe in that conspiracy would mean every Elvis impersonator is actually a Secret Service Agent to protect the King from the Syndicate.

Here is why conspiracy theories don’t hold water on in this case saliva.

JERRY: Hellooo Newman.

KRAMER: I hate KEITH HERNANDEZ - hate him.

NEWMAN: I despise him.


NEWMAN: Why? I'll tell you why...

KRAMER: Let me tell it ..

NEWMAN: No, you can't tell it ..

KRAMER: You always tell it ..

NEWMAN: All right, tell it.

KRAMER: Ja ja ja - just tell it

NEWMAN: June 14, 1987.... Mets Phillies. We're enjoying a beautiful afternoon
in the right field stands when a crucial Hernandez error to a five run Phillies
ninth. Cost the Mets the game.

KRAMER: Our day was ruined. There was a lot of people, you know, they were
waiting by the player's parking lot. Now we're coming down the ramp ... [cut
to film of the day - like the Zabruter film - with the Umbrella man and
everything - Oh so brilliant parody!!!] ... Newman was in front of me. Keith
was coming toward us, as he passes Newman turns and says, " Nice game pretty
boy.". Keith continued past us up the ramp.

NEWMAN: A second later, something happened that changed us in a deep and
profound way front that day forward.

ELAINE: What was it?

KRAMER: He spit on us.... and I screamed out, "I'm hit!"

NEWMAN: Then I turned and the spit ricochet of him and it hit me.

ELAINE: Wow! What a story.

JERRY: Unfortunately the immutable laws of physics contradict the whole premise
of your account. Allow me to reconstruct this if I may for Miss Benes as
I've heard this story a number of times.

JERRY: Newman, Kramer, if you'll indulge me. According to your story Keith
passes you and starts walking up the ramp then you say you were struck on
the right temple. The spit then proceeds to ricochet off the temple
striking Newman between the third and forth rib. The spit then cam off
the rib turned and hit Newman in the right wrist causing him to drop his
baseball cap. The spit then splashed off the wrist, Pauses In mid air
mind you- makes a left turn and lands on Newman's left thigh. That is one
magic luggie.

NEWMAN: Well that's the way it happened.

JERRY: What happened to your head when you got hit?

KRAMER: Well. uh, well my head went back and to the left

JERRY: Again

KRAMER: Back and to the left

JERRY: Back and to the left Back and to the left

ELAINE: So, what are you saying?

JERRY: I am saying that the spit could not have come from behind ... that there had to have been
a second spitter behind the bushes on the gravelly road. If the spitter was behind you as you claimed
that would have caused your head to pitch forward.

ELAINE: So the spit could have only come from the front and to the right.

JERRY: But that is not what they would have you believe.

NEWMAN: I'm leavin'. Jerry's a nut. [Exits]

KRAMER: Wait, wait, [Exits]

JERRY: The sad thing is we may never know the real truth.

KRAMER: Hello.
KEITH: Hello.
KRAMER: Oh, you don't remember me.
KEITH: No should I [continuity error: in fact he SHOULD from the basketball game]
KRAMER: Yeah, you should. I certainly remember you. Let me refresh your memory.

[Newman enters]

NEWMAN: June 14th, 1987. Mets Phillies. You made a big error. Cost the Mets the
game. Then you're coming up the parking lot ramp.
KEITH: YOU said, "Nice game, pretty boy."
KRAMER: Ah, you remember.
NEWMAN: And then you spit on us.
KEITH: Hey, I didn't spit at you.
NEWMAN: Oh, yeah, right.
KRAMER: No no no, well, then who was it?
KEITH: Well lookit, the way I remember it [back to the grainy 8mm film parody] I was
walking up the ramp. I was upset about the game. That's when you called me pretty
boy. It ticked me off. I started to turn around to say something and as I turned
around I saw Roger McDowell behind the bushes over by that gravely road. …
Anyway he was talking to someone and they were talking to you. I tried to scream
out but it was too late. It was already on its way.
JERRY: I told you!
NEWMAN: Wow, it was McDowell.
JERRY: But why? Why McDowell?
KRAMER: Well, maybe because we were sitting in the right field stands cursing at him
in the bullpen all game.
NEWMAN: He must have caught a glimpse of us when I poured that beer on his head.
NEWMAN: It was McDowell.
KRAMER: Oh boy. Uh, look uh, Keith, uh, we're sorry.
NEWMAN: Yeah, I couldn't be sorrier. I uh.
KEITH: look guys, don't worry about it, I uh, Well I guess I better get going.
KRAMER: Wait, uh what are ya' doing?
KEITH: I gotta move.
KRAMER: Want any help?
KEITH: I'd love some.
KRAMER: I'd love to help you move.
NEWMAN: Me too.
KEITH: Ok guys, we gotta be careful of one thing. Some of the stuff's very fragile
We're going to have to handle it like a baby.
KRAMER: No sweat.

Reepicheep said...


I can appreciate your reasoning. Still, no way it was one gunman. Why has it been kept a secret? Because La Cosa Nostra was in on it...

As for the glorious Seinfeld reference, I hope you cut and pasted that.

Rick Calohan said...

Cut and paste? I have not done that since elementary school (1972-1979) now, to Copy and Paste, yeah you bet, otherwise I would have carpel tunnel syndrome. Is the La Costa Nostra theory based on the movie Ruby or the fact Oswald fired three shots in 7 seconds with an Italian - Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.

I mean we had Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren, Former President Gerald Ford, and none other than the Honorable Senator Arlen “He Reminds me of Howard Sprague from the Andy Griffith Show”Specter agree to the magic bullet theory.

The first shot missed and the second shot passed through both the President and the Governor, the third shot was the fatal shot once President Kennedy’s head became in view.

I move to table the PCA General Assembly after November 22, 2008, to give you a a man of Sicillian roots, and avid Hunter ample time to dry fire three shots in 7 seconds from the same place as Oswald, you will see that the foliage was such that at the moment the vehicle sped up gave Oswald the clear shot that caused the fatal death of President Kennedy.

Matt S said...

Tony's right - there's no way. Read Jim Garrison's book, for starters. By the way, Congress did a second "investigation" in the late 70s and their official conclusion was that the Warren Commission's conclusions were unwarranted, i.e. the Lone Gunman theory doesn't meet all the facts of the case. Lastly, the government hasn't been able to keep it a secret - if they had, there wouldn't be so many "conspiracy theories." Now, of course the main questions remain unanswered satisfactorily: who did it, how, and why? Bigger than that is whether other crimes have been covered.

Reepicheep said...

Thanks Matt. You are a wise man.


I think links can be shown between several parties- The Mob, CIA, FBI, Dallas Police, and even Cuban nationalists. I'm not suggesting I know exactly how these groups worked together, but I do think there were some alliances. I give the Mob the most credit because only they could pull off the systematic silencing (or early deaths) of several key witnesses.

But you hit my main reason for not believing it was a lone gunman- there is NO WAY L.H. Oswald, an average shot AT Best, could use that clumsy old bolt action rifle, out a window, without a tripod, and make those shots. No way. I have several rifles, all better, smoother, and faster than his gun and I am sure I couldn't pull off such shots.

There was a gunmanon the grassy noll, probably a pizano.

Frontier Forest said...

I know one thing for sure! This was the best entertainment I have enjoyed in a long time!
Rick, you are a HOOT! But dead wrong! There had to be more than one shooter! When they open the archives in 2012, the Republicans will say it was Obama's father and the Dem’s will say Kennedy died of a rapidly spreading disease caused by Global Warming.

Hough said...

If you really want to know ask the street tourist down where it took place. They'll tell you the "truth." It was LBJ.

Rick Calohan said...

Woodster, 75 years from 1963 would be 2038, having worked at the National Archives that’s a standard rule not something the Warren Commission imposed. However, I am sure you are aware that it was Mayans who devised a calendar to end on December 21, 2012, that numerically comes out to 12212012, if you notice closely there are three ones and three twos in that sequence meaning that there were three angles of fire, coming from two men in each point. Even the number 22 appears, meaning the date of the assassination. If you look even closer, the numbers when added up 12+21+20 equal 53 the pieces of evidence linked to Oswald. Then 12, there are 12 people selected on a jury, a trail that never took place and the number 0 can also be mistaken for the letter O thus meaning Oswald who was a Zero, was not the killer. There you have it case closed!

Charles Whitman killed twenty people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards.

Lee Harvey Oswald was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with a single bolt-action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot!

Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot?

I am sure Gunny can answer this one.

As for conspiracy theorist out there, it is comforting to know that if 53 pieces of evidence were linked to me in a murder trial that 75% of you acquit me.

Perhaps this article can shed some light

Frontier Forest said...

Pretty convincing Rick! And I read the entire report. This I do agree, even 45 years later, this is still one of the most amazing stories of all times. The only story of more significance is yet to be. The Lord Jesus eminent return and the judgment of those who have denied Christ.

Matt s said...

Rick, if you read Garrison's book (not a conspiracy nut, by the way; he was elected several times as a DA in New Orleans) you'll learn how ridiculous the Lone Gunman theory is. I also reiterate my earlier point that Congress determined in the late 70s that the Warren Commission got it wrong. And, as far as those 53 pieces of evidences are concerned, who came up with those? The government? Was there any interest on their part to cover up something? If they were involved you can be sure that they'll find innumerable pieces of "evidence" to peg someone. This kind of "justice" happens all the time. Read the Garrison book and you'll see that there's plenty of documentation that shows Oswald was but a patsy. The book is well written and documented.

Rick Calohan said...

Two Words for you Matt "OLIVER STONE" need I say more about Jim Garrison? Only that his successor Harry Connick, Sr. served 30 years not 10 years like Garrison as the DA in New Orleans.

Woody, I am amillennialist as clearly stated

Matthew 24:36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,but the Father only.

Mark 13: 12 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Matthew 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Luke 17: 20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

Romans 14: 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.