Monday, June 15, 2009

Kudos to O'Reilly on this one

Despite his popularity (something he reminds viewers about constantly) I don't care much for Bill O'Reilly's approach. Still, this interchange with a radical pro-abortion advocate is worthy of appreciation.

George Tiller was a straight up butcher who became a millionaire dismembering babies. Period. Calling him a hero is no different then calling Hitler the same. Joan Walsh here notes that only 1% of all abortions occur in the third trimester, however, remember, even if we assume she's giving the right stats, that still makes 100,000 plus such abortions each year!!!


Frontier Forest said...

TRUTH with embolden passion for sure! These heinous, senseless murders are just that, and this left-wing loon does indeed, have “blood ALL over her hands!” They kept talking about facts… the fact is someday, this women, who chooses to defend “death by scissors,” will indeed stand before the Lord and give an account. She is just as guilty as the mass murderer, Tiller himself. The further fact is that everyone who has an opportunity to speak forth, defending the rights of the unborn and chooses to turn their heads, ignore, or not speak out, also has blood on their hands!

Brother Titus said...

I couldn't see the O'Reilly video on this site, so I went to FOX News online (Don't care for O'Reilly's style either, no matter what his ratings. But, he takes-up the right noble causes most of the time.). And, the pro-death cause is there for all the world to see: a conscienceless female baby butcher, with no remorse about killing innocents - neither blushing, nor squirming, nor embarrassed at the exposure (She might as well have been ordering a chicken salad when she was talking about her position.) - Tiller's a hero to her - making a sweepingly gross and totally irresponsible generalization that all prolifers are, "vigilantees" (only then was she upset), and accusing O'Reilly, to his face, that he, on his program, incited a violent attack against some liberals (Not sure what she's referring to there. But, there, again, she's upset.). Thank the Lord that O'Reilly didn't take that sham bait against him.

lastmohican said...

I have been asked about what I thought about the tragic death of Dr Tiller. This is in the context because I am pro life and a Christian. So I have written this response.
Dr. Tiller was an abortionist who by his own estimation killed over 60,000 babies. These abortions were done at any time during pregnancy including late term and partial birth, even to preteens, and for any reason. It was commonly understood that he was in violation of Kansas law but no one could ever succeed in collaring him. His vast money pockets extended to legislators, judges, district and state attorneys, and even the governor through many channels. This man was truly the political power broker in the state. A mass murderer was killed by a lone murderer. Both violated God's law and societal norms. I define abortion as the barbaric murder of an innocent life. I simply can not see how someone can kill multiple babies every day and not be bothered by it. But I also do not understand why one would kill someone else. I would not want to be an abortionist lying on my deathbed unconfessed to the Lord. I also do no want to die unconfessed if I committed murder but a single murder. If one is outraged by Tiller's death try multiplying it by forty five million. That is the total number of babies aborted since Roe Vs Wade 1973.
What I also can not understand is why the news media is providin g so much airplay venerating Dr Tiller. At the same time there was a young soldier who was gunned down by a self style Muslim terrorist here in the United States for crimes committed by the military against Islam. Yet there was hardly any news or outrage. Why? Furthermore there is talk of honoring Tiller among the federal congressional crowd all the while the condemnation of the pro-life movement and to some extent Christians continues unabated. How can this be explained? Is it moral relativity running rampant? I say this because the argument has flip flopped for me. Somehow we who uphold the sanctity of life are the criminals and the one who take away life are the heroes!
Additionally how can one be outraged at torture (what I call enhanced interrogation) for a very select number(3) of terrorists while patting on the back those who cut up, suction out, or chemically burn babies? Now that is what I call torture. Scientific studies show that the baby feels the pain. We worry about if a terrorist's feeling are hurt but care less if the baby is tortured? The NY Times and the ACLU have sued to seek the release of prisoner abuse photos at Abu Graib yet would they be compelled to show the abuse that occurs in a abortion procedure and even death photos?

anasazi journey said...

" If science recognizes that life begins at conception and it is the state's duty to protect its citizens why do we allow abortion? What about theology? There are three possible attitudes to abortion. Some claim to know that the soul enters the body at conception (me), making the fetus a person, and therefore that abortion is murder. Some claim to know that this is not true, and therefore that abortion is not abortion. And some do not claim to know when the souls enters the body, when the fetus becomes a person. Though this skeptical claim is most often found among prochoice people, it is a compelling reason for being prolife. If you don't know for sure that an unborn baby is not a person and has no soul, how horribly callous and irresponsible to ri sk the possibility of murder! It's like shooting a gun into a busy city street, or running over a human-shaped pile of clothes with a truck!" Kreeft & Tacelli -Handbook of Christian Apologetics
"For you formed my inward parts;You covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; marvelous are Your works, and that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they were written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them." Psalms 139

Rick Calohan said...

Tony, I believe that the majority if not all of the post from your readers on the topic of abortion on Reepicheep are from pro-lifers who believe life begins at conception. This O’Reilly clip I was thinking of another one I saw earlier and likewise the woman believed that Tiller was a hero and yada yada yada.

Not that Wikipedia is the be all and end all of resources but at times even in its brevity we can clear the air.

“Roe v. Wade held that a mother may abort her pregnancy for any reason, up until the "point at which the fetus becomes viable.’" The Court defined viable as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid. Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks." The Court also held that abortion after viability must be available when needed to protect a woman's health, which the Court defined in the companion case of Doe v. Bolton. These rulings affected laws in 46 states.”

“The decision established a system of trimesters that attempted to balance the state's legitimate interests against the abortion right. The Court ruled that the state cannot restrict a woman's right to an abortion during the first trimester, the state can regulate the abortion procedure during the second trimester "in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health", and the state can choose to restrict or proscribe abortion as it sees fit during the third trimester when the fetus is viable ("except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother").”

Again showing why this was and remains bad law.

First this ruling is suppose to based on allege ‘privacy clause’ found in the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Here is the 14th Amendment of the US. Constitution

I’m not a lawyer but this so called ‘privacy’ clause is found where? The right to an abortion is found where? Our state legislatures in America should take a second look at section 1 of the XIV Amendment “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Even after Roe v. Wade we were still taught that the 14th Amendment was to give former slaves now free the same rights that all free persons had in America and that it overturned Dred Scott v. Sanford of 1857. But hey what do I know my undergrad was in History with a minor in Poly Sci.

In conclusion and I am sure your readers already know this we need to stop using the term ‘fetus’ when debating abortionist, we speak English in this country and Fetus is Latin for unborn baby as Brethos is Greek for unborn baby or personhood.

The late Dr. D. James Kennedy answered the most common myths about abortion

PCA Elder and the former Surgeon General of the United States, C. Everett Koop, M.D., former U.S. Surgeon General said, “ Protection of the life of the mother as an excuse for an abortion is a smoke screen. In my 36 years of pediatric surgery, I have never known of one instance where the child had to be aborted to save the mother's life. If toward the end of the pregnancy complications arise that threaten the mother's health, the doctor will induce labor or perform a Caesarean section. His intention is to save the life of both the mother and the baby. The baby's life is never willfully destroyed because the mother's life is in danger.”

I close with these verses I held on to so well when my wife was pregnant with John, a placed the sonogram pictures in our Bible, from Psalm 139: 13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. 14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.

Michael and Susannah said...

The point of viability for a developing infant is somewhere between 23 and 25 weeks gestation. The third trimester, or late term, begins somewhere around 26 weeks. As a neonatologist, I routinely take care of infants delivered by induced vaginal delivery or C-section for maternal indication at the 23-25 week mark. While the survival rate of these extremely low gestational age neonates (ELGANs) is variable and low, there is never a medical indication to abort or murder these babies instead of giving them the best possible care. Late-term abortion is nothing more than killing the very babies I work so hard to save. This crime should be illegal in all states.

Frontier Forest said...

Wow! Been traveling, trying to drum up some business the past 5 days. I read some mighty bold, angry yet true comments here. As much passion as I have ever felt.