Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Piper on the Emergent Church

John Piper here addresses the Emergent Church movement (though he calls it the "emerging" church a few times at the begining, when he calls out McClaren and Bell, he's referring to the Emergent Church- the theologically liberal branch of the wider so-called "emerging" church).

HT: Andrew


Woody Woodward said...

Pastor Tony, where would you place the Church of the Resurrection? I was surprised that John Piper is such a young man? For some reason, I guess by all his writings and wisdom, I thought him to be a man in his late 70’s?

Reepicheep said...

I don't know much about COR as a whole church, but I know that Adam Hamilton is an theological liberal who denies the bible is inerrant and that Jesus is NOT the only way of salvation,etc.

Woody Woodward said...

Your analysis of Pastor Adam is right on! Since the “emerging” term is relative new, I was just wondering on your thoughts about Resurrection blending in as “emerging” church?
I will never forget my first confrontation with him face to face. We had been members for only a couple of years and Adam and I were on our way to a local mission conference when I made a casual comment about standing up for the doctrine of “inerrancy of Scripture.” His very surprising comment to me, "Woody, you will get a lot of disagreement from me and others in our denomination on that subject." I was so shocked, I didn't have a comeback. But as years went by, I saw this to become a huge stumbling block, and the main reason we had to leave. After a Scriptural confrontation, Matthew 18:15-18; Galatians 6:1-6, without causing any divisions, we left. And after 2 years of wondering in spiritual wilderness, trying for find a “HOME” where truth was taught, the Lord saw our needs, answered our prayers and led us to Redeemer. Leaving COR was the most difficult decision we ever had to make, but joining Redeemer and being part of Truth is a blessing that we have lavishly enjoyed.

Rick Calohan said...

Woodster I doubt if the Church of the Resurrection (COR) will be anything other than a United Methodist Church (UMC). Like PCUSA churches, it is hard for a church to leave a denomination. This is not to say members are unorthodox, or that members do not believe Biblical Christianity, it is just that most of the leadership in mainline denominations went to seminaries where Liberal Theology took hold. Therefore, for your former Pastor to view Christianity in the light that he does not surprise me.

(COR) to UMC is akin to Village to PCUSA locally where instead of a place to worship God it becomes more or less a Sunday Social Club. I am literally amazed that Colonial Presbyterian still remains part of the PCUSA, but that may have more to do with male to female ratio, since so much of Heartland Presbytery (PCUSA) is run by women who were made elders or became ordained pastors. In many of these churches because of the shortage of men in the congregation who else is going to lead the flock.

One of the reasons (there were many) I left the PCUSA where I was an Elder, was the liberal views were not only political but also theological.

Mainline denominations are hit or miss anymore especially if they are non-Presbyterian. Even Southern Baptist have issues because they are split on rather they are Reformed or Arminian.

Praise God for Redeemer, our Teaching Elders and Ruling Elders who believe, teach, and preach the Inspired and Infallible Word of the Living Triune God.

Anonymous said...

I find that some of the seeker friendly churches seem to send the children to liberal emergent or whatever they are being called now. I notice that there is a merging of non-denominational churches with "spirtual formation" and this has become a term used in emergent and seeker friendly. I'm puzzled as to how emergent and seeker friendly can be opposed to one another and yet use the same terminology and drift in the same direction. It's like they are petals on the same flower center. Kind of worried what that center is!